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18 March 2009

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D.V. Ramana

You are right both methods will give the same result ie. Cash from operation.

As a teacher of accounting, I always find it useful to explain the concept of CFO using both direct and indirect methods. I say the following:
Direct method: will show the actual flows of cash. Direct method fail to show the reasons for the difference between CFO and profit.

Indirect method: Will answer the question why is the profit not same as CFO? One cannot observe the actual receipts from the debtors or payments to the creditors from the CFS.

So I find strengths in both methods. It will be useful if the companies are asked to show CFO using both methods.

I have a doubt based on your write-up. You mentioned that the both methods involve some degree of estimation. Will be glad if you can further elaborate on that.

Regards,

D.V.Ramana
Professor, Accounting Area
Xavier Institute of Management

MIchele Webster

Applying the direct method to a large international company would be very challenging and seems impractical. We must strip out currency effect and it is unclear how that system logic would be accurately structured when the direct method is employed. Aside from sales / VAT taxes that affect receivables (and do not run through our p&l) there is consideration paid to customers and other items not at invoice level....the "derived direct" method it seems would have higher risk of errors. We believe that significant system changes would be necessary to comply with a mandate to use the direct method.

Richard Keys

Many thanks for your comments. Although it might be assumed that a 'direct' cash flow draws its information straight from a company's primary ledgers or cash book, this is rarely the case. The current standard, IAS 7, permits a company to derive its operating cash flows by adjusting sales and costs for changes in inventories, receivables and payables, as well as other non-cash or non-operating items. To do this will require some degree of estimation. Hence, in most cases a 'direct' cash flow statement may not be exactly as it seems.

ENRIQUE ROSADO PACHECO

Well, there is a way for companies, regardless of their size, to manage cash flow components or group types in their accounting records for the cash flow statement preparation.

For each bank account, let us say Bank of Verne we asign a code 101.

For:
A/R related transactions we asign a code 101001

A/P related transactions we asign a code 101002

Financial investments, if many, can have their own cash sub-divisionary; if not too many, then under a miscellaneous investment bank-cash divisionary, etc., etc., etc.

Each cash flow transaction component type should only be linked to the account assigned for that purpose, so as to avoid mistakes of posting, for example, an A/P transaction using a divisionary that belongs to A/R or to another type of cash flow account.

This way we can have totals by type of components for the cash flow statements,for any period.

The software programs needed would therefore be less costly and the usage and management of accounts is less labour intensive this way.

Then after all what is left to do is just a work sheet to summarized the cash and bank accounts by component taking the totals from the accounting divisionaries and entering them in a work sheet.

Enrique Rosado Pacheco, CPA
Lima, Peru

Shafi

Concerning the isue of estimation, the other way to look at it is that however accurate the accountants and auditors may be, errors will always find their way in accounts since they can not be all removed (cost-benefit analysis). so derivation of true cash will not be possible because of these errors.

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